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November 5, 2009

Transaction Analysis Blog

A Teahen Scandal?

by Christina Kahrl


CHICAGO WHITE SOX
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Re-signed 1B/OF-L Mark Kotsay to a one-year, $1.5 million contract. [11/4]
Acquired 4C-L Mark Teahen from the Royals for 2B-L Chris Getz and 3B-R Josh Fields. [11/5]

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keithkowalski
(52132)

Christina:

Why would the Royals pick up an eight million dollar option on a CF that missed over half the season and in the forty nine games he did play in he hit a meager .228?

It's not my money but I'd rather pay the $500k buyout and then offer him a one year incentive laden deal. As a Royals fan I'd love to have him and his wheels back in CF, especially if the lead footed Jose Guillen is patrolling right.

Nov 05, 2009 14:59 PM
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Richard Bergstrom
(36532)

The thing for me is Teahan has some value for his versatility, and as you said, could man third base at an adequate level... so he gets flipped for a less valuable utility player like Getz and a dead bat in Fields. I'd think the Royals could do better and, given their history, put themselves in a bad position where a hot month from Fields or Getz could lead to an overpaid extension.

Nov 05, 2009 15:11 PM
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BurrRutledge
(18981)

"and as you said, could man third base at an adequate level... so he gets flipped for a less expensive utility player like Getz and a dead bat in Fields."

Fixed that for you, Richard!

Said another way, it's a salary dump. To the Royals, Teahan isn't going to be worth his arb salary. It's not moving the team forward, which is disappointing, but it's not eating up their resources for a utility player, either.

Nov 05, 2009 15:34 PM
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Richard Bergstrom
(36532)

Won't Getz be arbitration-eligible soon enough? And what I was suggesting is that instead of flipping Teahan for Getz, and then flipping Getz for some middling prospect a year later.. why not cut out the middle man and flip Teahan for a somewhat better prospect?

Nov 05, 2009 16:34 PM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
BP staff
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Getz has little more than a year's worth of service time so far, so he's two years away from arbitration, minimum. Fields is actually closer to two full years.

Nov 05, 2009 22:05 PM
 
BP staff member Christina Kahrl
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Shame on me, I totally left off saying anything about Kotsay. The money's seemingly the current standard for a veteran of this caliber, and it's better than having Darin Erstad, I guess. Like most stick-wielding bipeds who put balls in the air with their sticks, he liked hitting in the Cell, smiting three of his four homers there in 60 PAs. On a team where at least Carlos Quentin's right-handed, Paul Konerko's right-handed, and--if he makes the team--Tyler Flowers is right-handed, there might be at-bats and spot starts to go around as far as playing time at first, DH, and left field are concerned. Perhaps best of all, there's no cult of pointless adulation around Kotsay the way there is with Podzilla, and he's apparently comfortable in a bench role. This isn't cause for handstands or raspberries.

Nov 05, 2009 15:59 PM
 
Richard Bergstrom
(36532)

There's a Hermedia to the Red Sox trade now too. Looks like the World Series ending opened up the floodgates.

Nov 05, 2009 16:33 PM
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onegameref
(7693)

Do you know if the Cubs can offer arbitration to Harden and receive picks if he declines? There does not seem to be any mention of this possibility in any of the coverage of his impending status. I still can't figure out why they want to discard him so quickly when he was nearly their most effective pitcher at various times the last two years. Will he ever be a workhorse? I doubt it but he certainly has value that should warrant considering retention.

Nov 05, 2009 19:15 PM
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trialaw
(52990)

If the Cubs offer arbitration to Harden, they will receive 2 picks because he is an "A" free agent.

Nov 06, 2009 11:30 AM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
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He also figures to be worth a multi-year offer from somebody--albeit one with plenty of incentive-driven structure to protect the team--so that an arbitration offer makes plenty of sense.

Nov 06, 2009 11:47 AM
 
R.A.Wagman
(32721)

"their older, more conservative, college-oriented draft strategy that produced so little in the way of worthwhile talent, and which they broke with sharply in 2007 when they picked Aaron Poreda"...
Christina, I'm a little confused. I know Poreda was more noted for upside than the high-inducing Broadway specials the blanc-sox had previously drafted, but Poreda still was a bona-fide collegian. So are you being sarcastic, or am I missing something here? I swear I've seen that line (or a derivative thereof before.

Nov 05, 2009 19:44 PM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
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Poreda was seen as an upside-oriented power pitcher, not a traditional, "finished," low-upside college product, a la Fields, or Lance Broadway, or Kyle McCulloch.

Nov 05, 2009 22:03 PM
 
Peter7899
(48545)

Did you really quote the Second Law of Thermodynamics in a baseball article? Phew! Thank goodness for my bachelors in mechanical engineering. Otherwise, I wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what you were talking about. "Celestial mystery", "reflexively answering", "Royals entropy". Note to self... make sure to bring my textbook collection and dictionary to the next Kahrl article. Then maybe I won't feel so stupid for being talked down to.

Nov 06, 2009 08:57 AM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
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Talked down to? Believe you me, I may see smart people here at the (virtual) office, but in a room full of sharp knives, I settle for spreading butter.

Nov 06, 2009 10:03 AM
 
Peter7899
(48545)

I apologize, I wasn't trying to be rude. If the audience you're intending to write to is your Ginsu coworkers then you are doing a fine job. I'm just Joe Fan, trying to catch some transaction analysis. I will give you props on the "stick-wielding bipeds" comment. That was pretty witty for sure.

Nov 06, 2009 11:33 AM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
BP staff
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Nah, no worries, wasn't rude at all. But maybe it's important for me to remind people I do my column with a smile. Except when I'm despairing over something involving the A's. Can't we apply some of that TARP money to Eric Chavez?

Nov 06, 2009 11:50 AM
 
Richard Bergstrom
(36532)

Perhaps Obama will initiate a Cash for Chavez program if Teahan clunks around too much at third base for the White Sox...

Nov 06, 2009 18:30 PM
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radarbinder
(35283)

I like the laws of Thermodynamics and appreciated their application to a baseball comment. As a Chisox fan, I fear that Teahen is moving towards the entropy side too quickly because he does not lift the ball. Perhaps a good hitting instructor can get him to swing for flyballs, which is a way to be rewarded with homeruns at the Cell?

Of course Teahen should play third and bop Gordo over to second! The Sox would be idiotic not to make that move. I was assuming that is why they were ready to dump Getz? Beckham and The Missile will make a good keystone combo for years to come. If the Sox intended to keep Gordon at third they surely would not have made this move, right? *Fingers crossed*

Hey, Kenny Williams, do you read this? Hello?

Nov 06, 2009 10:34 AM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
BP staff
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In his comments to the Score, Kenny Williams has made it clear--Teahen's headed for third base. Score one for the White Sox and common sense, and scratch one from the reporter who was all for putting Teahen in right field.

http://www.670-thescore.com/blog/2009/11/06/dyes-time-with-the-sox-all-but-over/

Nov 06, 2009 12:04 PM
 
Dr. Dave
(1652)

Aw, no "Tempest in a Teahen" line?

Nov 06, 2009 11:06 AM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
BP staff
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Some might say that's too easy, but I guess for me it was my recently reading David Pietrusza's history of the 1920 election that had me thinking in a certain rut. Except that saying 'rut' when Warren Harding's involved seems a bit off-color, except saying 'off-color' about Harding's somewhat loaded, which is what the gun of at least one Harding administration miscreant was before he used it to excuse himself from any legal proceedings, and shooting yourself is probably exactly what some Sox fans might be willing to consider if they wind up with Mark Teahen as their everyday starting right fielder.

Nov 06, 2009 11:57 AM
 
mlsgrad99
(12348)

Ever see a BBC show called Connections? In every episode, they look at the flow of history and show the connections. To cite just one example, how is the size of a nuclear missile silo connected to the width of an ancient Roman donkey's ass?

Considering how deftly Christina got us from a history of the 1920 Presidential election to potential mass suicides in Chicago around early April 2010, she must be a fan of the show as well!

Nov 06, 2009 12:17 PM
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BP staff member Christina Kahrl
BP staff
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Very much so. When I was a wee thing growing up on a horse ranch, I was enthralled listening to James Burke explain the critical importance of the stirrup to the Battle of Hastings, something that seems obvious now, but it wasn't something the Romans had thought of, let alone Alexander the Great's Companions. Points to the Normans, plus the kingdom and assorted goodies.

Nov 06, 2009 12:48 PM
 
Richard Bergstrom
(36532)

The Romans were kind of deficient at mounting things. They had a habit of letting Hannibal stomp his elephants all the way from Morocco to Northern Italy and back until they decided to send some legions to Carthage. The ironic thing is that the Huns introduced Europe to the stirrup (by overrunning it), yet they were running all over Europe trying to get away from the Mongols.

Nov 06, 2009 18:30 PM
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harderj
(32137)

I appreciated the Strat reference vis-a-vis Fields.

Nov 06, 2009 17:40 PM
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