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Agreed to terms with 1B–L Ryan Howard on a five-year, $115 million contract extension, with a $23 million club option for 2017 ($10 million buyout). [4/26]
I'll admit, when it comes to first base, I'm big on the basics as opposed to the options. First base is about power, and scoring runs the way that always works: at the plate. And on that score, Howard's delivered, to the point at which I liked last year's arbitration-avoiding extension through 2011 well enough as a good move by Ruben Amaro, Jr. My initial reaction was that I liked this extension a lot less, but work with me through this, and let's see if we wind up in the same place.
In Howard's defense, he's got a lot of consistency going for him. Many of the changes in the shape of his production have involved the drop in the number of intentional walks he's been issued, and as those have changed, his overall walk rate's declined into the merely sound range, fewer than one in 10 PA, decent, but far from exceptional. If there's an interesting feature to his hitting, it's that, for a guy who strikes out as much as he does, when he does make contact his ability to avoid popping up is handy; it's especially handy in a hitter's park like Philly, but it's proven handy everywhere. In a player whose power numbers are sort of extreme, it's interesting to see that his all-or-nothing approach has its additional benefits. It's also worth noting his strikeout rate has come down over time. He's not striking out 30 percent of the time these days, which is another small trend that suggests aptitude.
To talk about aptitude, we can distract ourselves and talk about other stuff that Howard's capable of doing. Take first-base defense; it's nice, and nobody likes having to run a latter-day Dick Stuart out there, but really, it's a tie-breaking consideration, not a primary concern. Baserunning? You may as well be talking about cupholder placement in a subcompact: without power under the hood, you're getting hung up on a detail as opposed to the key element of first-base functionality. So yammering about such considerations of themselves is sort of silly, save where they indicate something that, in Howard's case, you can credit him with: a demonstrated aptitude for improvement, and what that suggests as far as his ability to retain value. Just as concerns about how players age are critical in evaluating the deal, at their core is the concern with change over time. In the broad strokes, we all know that Howard is going to get worse over time, but that's because there'll come a far-off day when Howard can no longer play. We can also take it for granted that it won't be a linear progression, as minor things like getting worked up over his defense or his baserunning reflect.
To go back to batting, the larger criticisms of his work have long involved his home park and his "problems" with lefties. However, he's not merely a park fiction: his career road ISO is .301, and at home it's .305. And it's a well-worn bit of obviousness that he doesn't need to be sat down against lefties, having hit .261/.348/.529 .225/.308/.442 against them on his career. Sure, maybe there's a virtue in playing matchups later on with a quality lefty reliever, but that's hardly remarkable, and it isn't like you want to go after him with Renyel Pinto.
So for all that, you can understand where comparisons to Fred McGriff come from, at least for some commentators. For me, the massive differences in dimension, plus McGriff's better patience and ability to make contact and fielding, balanced against Howard's advantages in power, make them considerably less comparable. Jim Thome also doesn't really work; Thome's always been a significantly more patient hitter over the course of career, so torch-passing contact high aside, it's a loose comp at best. However, because we're talking about people who are seen as clean during and after a time that was less so, and because they hit left-handed and hit for power and play first base, you can understand where the associations come from.
I guess I'd take it a bit further back, and say that I'm a bit more fond of a comparison to Willie Stargell, another big man, not to mention one who aged well as a hitter. Once Stargell got out from under the shadow of the high-mound era that sucked a ton of value out of the usual late-20s peak, he was someone who was cranking out TAv marks in the .300s all the way through the "We Are Family" club that won it all in 1979. Pops Stargell was 39 that season, and if it was the last one in which his body could handle anything close to everyday play, it was a great past-30 run.
With that in mind, I'd note that the Phillies just signed Howard through his age-36 season, and control him through his age-37 campaign. So that sounds pretty good, right? So is the hangup the money? Well, there is an awful lot of it, but admittedly I'm less excited about the volume of particular rivulets as cash trickles down from billionaires to millionaires. Howard's worth a lot, so he'll cost a lot, just as his three-year extension last spring cost a good chunk of change.
But will it cost them more than "just" $125 million or $138 million for five or six seasons? Whether the draft picks notionally forgone survive the next CBA or not, their abstract value is not equal to all ballclubs on any level save the abstract. Certainly, you might say that their value means less for the Phillies in light of recent June results, considering that their draft record with top picks in recent seasons has been what we might politely refer to as checkered. Whether Kyle Drabek or Travis d'Arnaud succeed as best first- or first-round-supplemental selections by the Phillies since Cole Hamels in 2002, that'll be in Toronto. That said, the Phillies seem to take the lottery-ticket approach, favoring athleticism and upside risk, and not shelling out big bonuses of late. That approach is going to involve a lot of misses, and as examples like Domonic Brown (20th round, 2006), you don't need to get too worked up over how often you play lotto; you're already in that pool. All of which is a long way around to saying I don't the Phillies cost themselves all that much in concrete terms as far as draft-day opportunity costs.
Which leaves me where? The fripperies about the picks or Howard's leather-working skills don't add up to much as far as nag-worthy nagging concerns. If you take them as indicators, they point towards doing a deal. He's durable, and the Phillies deserve and receive considerable credit for their ability in keeping their players in full operating order. There's no underlying nagging concern about his ability to hit, hit in this league, hit in this park, or hit pitchers of every persuasion—give him a shot at Pat Venditte, I dare you.
But for all that, zillions of electrons later, the question really is whether you want to pay this kind of money for his age-32 through age-36 seasons, and that's where I have my doubts. PECOTA's savagery with players as they head into their 30s is founded on the general, obvious truth that players heading into their 30s are usually headed downslope. As much as some might note that the many minor indicators that are positive, and that Howard's proven to be adaptive, that's all true. It's also easy to then defer to an argument from authority to say that the Phillies are smart and competent and equipped with inside knowledge, because that's all swell and defensible.
Trumping all of that is that it's still $25 million per year for a first baseman, and that's for someone who isn't Albert Pujols or Adrian Gonzalez, the two leading free agents at first base after 2011, a pair Howard would handily rank behind if the Phillies had merely fulfilled their existing obligation. Per PECOTA, he's someone who might not even be Pops Stargell and cranking out True Averages in the .300s. Instead, Howard might resemble his own long-range forecasts, nose around in the .280s and .290s and thus be a thoroughly average hitter for a first baseman, and be the sort of nice complementary power source who has a nice career. For $25 million per season, to a player who may not be a top 10 player at his position by the time the contract becomes an active concern, off in 2012? That's not what anyone should consider a success.
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There are virtues to going year to year, or waiting until a deal is almost up before you talk extensions, but the alternative is not without its charms either.
I know people are hung up on the numbers, but it's probably not the dollar figures that the Phillies were sweating. They apparently didn't see a need to be dollar efficient with Howard, but they did see a need to know that 1B was locked down for the next several years, at a known price. For the Phillies, knowing the price in advance seems to take a clear precedent over haggling over the price.
With a deep market at the position I think you really have to question whether any other team would be coming anywhere close to offering a 32 year old Howard $25M/per.
Checking out Ryan's Player Card, the one consistency across the board in his projections is that he bottoms out in the 2016 timeframe. Stars-n-scrubs, Career Path, Ten-Year Performance/Attrition all show the Big Piece as a blue frowny face at the end of this contract.
RAJ-AH looked at the path, discounted for inflation (anybody think the economy is going to improve a little bit over the next four-five years?), noted the player's commitment to off-season and in-season improvement, and pulled the trigger.
Mo Vaughn or Jim Thome? That's what it'll come down to.
The issue just comes back to the money spent here that didn't go to Cliff Lee, and can't be tabbed for Jayson Werth, two men who could offer a hell of a lot more than Howard will.
I admit I sometimes have trouble parsing your sentences, but are you really suggesting that Howard hits lefthanders well?
As a Mets fan, I like this move by the Phillies, especially given the concurrent aging of the rest of the team's tremendous core talent into their mid-30's.
I highly doubt the guys at FanGraphs or Keith Law or others just decided to bash on it to make them feel better about themselves. They expressed all the same concerns as CK, and they were well reasoned.
"When the news first broke and the details started to emerge, I was tempted to fill this entire article with just me laughing. My co-writers convinced me that while an appropriate response, that was not quite informative enough so I have relented and will actually map out the value of Ryan Howard’s new extension. I’m laughing pretty hard, though, in case you wanted to picture it."
Or Keith Law: "The contract extension the Phillies gave Ryan Howard made me laugh when I first heard about it."
It should be noted that this is how each guy started his article, so it set the tone for whatever followed. CK seems to have similar doubts about whether the extension was wise, but she expressed it in a much different way.
If you were going to look at this, I'd think the Reds' signing of Ken Griffey Jr. would be a place to start.
Is Howard better than Butler? Obviously.
Will he be better in 2015? Hard to say(especially since I took such a young player), but...Likely, yeah.
Is the marginal value that Howard provides over Butler worth the difference in what they'll be paid at that time? By your MORPS or your "Value"? I doubt it.
Now, if you're trying to be a competitive team, that marginal value that Howard provides over a player like Butler is important, and throwing "too much" money at a solidly above average player is what teams with money are "supposed" to do.
If the Phillies cry poverty on future deals and don't sign players(Werth is the obvious one coming up, but this runs through 2016, so there will be a number of free agents or extensions for the Phillies to consider), then I would say this deal was a mistake.
If it doesn't cause them to become more frugal over the course of the Howard deal, then...they spent too much on a very good player, but they still come away with a very good player(probably, have to say, if we're looking six years ahead)
That was way too many words, so in one sentence: If the Phillies are still willing to spend money on other players, this is a decent enough deal.
Do we really know how much First Baseman $25 million will buy in 2016? How does it compare to what the Cards will be paying Holliday that year?
I'm not saying we should assume everything he does is foolish, but I think he's made far more poor moves than good ones.
Does he do everything right? No way. But to call his moves incompetent or idiotic, or to say he's made far more poor moves than good ones, is just untrue. The jury is still out, and he's proven me wrong in a couple times already in my skepticism. I have an open mind for sure.
I notice you decided to portray the Lee trade as A Three Way Trade, which I have been lead to believe is false. It was a separate deal made because they were trying to "play for the future" (which is odd, seeing as they have no interest in leveraging their leaving free agents into draft picks, and are signing guys who will contribute now but not much later to long deals) and got marginal prospects. Lee was cheap for this year, and that deal was NOT necessary to acquire Halladay. For him to turn around and give the money he couldn't afford to give to Lee to Danys Baez and Placido Polanco seems pretty foolish to me.
Additionally, authors on this very site savaged the Ibanez deal. Even if it worked out - and worked out so well in one year it justifies the whole deal - that doesn't mean it should make us think he knows what he's doing. The odds were against it working out. And a single season of fielding defense in left field doesn't seem to me to outweigh the fact that he had been terrible for years before, and I'd bet he's going to be poor instead of average going forward.
I think Amaro inherited an extremely enviable stockpile of resources at the major and minor league levels, and that he is not leveraging them as nearly as well as he could be.
I liked your article on the Howard extension, and it mollified my dislike of it, but only slightly.
Regardless, I think we agree that Amaro can't be given the benefit of the doubt automatically, but perhaps we also could agree that it's worth considering he is smarter than his moves make him seem at first blush.
You are correct that trading Lee was not part of trading Halladay. They just happened concurrently. Polanco was already signed at that point, so really I meant that they could have just non-tendered Joe Blanton and Chad Durbin, and not signed Baez and Contreras. Those guys cost about $14MM this year. My point was just that was totally okay.
I am also skeptical that he necessarily knew what he was doing with Ibanez, but it certainly seems plausible that he did.
I also agree that Amaro inherited a stockpile of resources, but keep in mind that he was seemingly a very involved Assistant GM who may be responsible for such good fortune during the Gillick years.
Again, just asking for some hesitation at blasting Amaro. I've gotten burned on doing so a few times.
Perhaps I'm overly pessimistic, but I think Arbuckle is generally given the credit as the savvy baseball guy, and Amaro was considered a nice guy who wasn't very bright - whether that's true is yet to be seen.
I guess I used a lot of words and wasted a lot of people's time to say: "Assuming the Phillies know what they're doing when the evidence on a specific move suggests otherwise may not be a valid way of analyzing as much as it is for others."
Should they also extend Rollins at $15M, because there's no guarantee they can sign Reyes next winter?
Should they extend Werth, at $25M because they can't be sure they'll get Carl Crawford for less?
Every dollar spent on Ryan Howard is a dollar that can't be spend on a different player. And I believe they set the market here - that Fielder or Gonzalez could have been signed for the same annual salary, if they'd signed first, or after only Pujols.
Ironically, by signing a lesser player at too high a price, Amaro has given himself cover for not getting the best guy ("How could I have afforded Fielder?")