Last week, Prospectus Hit List reader Dan W. asked for a take on Scott Rolen's Hall of Fame case in light of JAWS. Since his name also popped up in my response to Steve Goldman's Dead Player of the Day entry on Stan Hack, it's high time I got, uh, Rolen on that particular topic (sorry).
The 35-year-old Rolen is enjoying something of a resurgence at the moment, hitting .271/.335/ .549 for the Reds. His 10 homers rank fifth in the NL, his slugging percentage ranks ninth, and his .306 True Average is just outside the lower reaches of the NL's top 20 (it was there yesterday when I wrote this, but he went 0-for-4). The power resurgence is a particularly interesting development, as Rolen hasn't hit more than 11 homers in a single season or slugged anywhere near .500 since 2006 due to years of shoulder troubles.
Coming into the year, Rolen had tallied 74.7 career WARP, and 52.4 peak WARP (his seven best seasons at large), for a JAWS score of 63.6. That's a hell of a score, actually; it ranks fourth all-time among third basemen, and is well above the JAWS standard at the position:
Player |
Career |
Peak |
Tav |
||||
114.8 |
63.1 |
89.0 |
.314 |
876 |
588 |
149 |
|
99.1 |
60.9 |
80.0 |
.319 |
911 |
622 |
-33 |
|
84.6 |
52.1 |
68.4 |
.301 |
713 |
425 |
40 |
|
Scott Rolen |
74.7 |
52.4 |
63.6 |
.295 |
490 |
276 |
184 |
78.2 |
48.4 |
63.3 |
.296 |
691 |
353 |
12 |
|
67.7 |
57.1 |
62.4 |
.294 |
560 |
285 |
52 |
|
72.4 |
46.8 |
59.6 |
.318 |
818 |
566 |
-155 |
|
AVG HOF 3B |
71.8 |
47.1 |
59.5 |
.290 |
545 |
266 |
81 |
75.7 |
41.9 |
58.8 |
.290 |
625 |
268 |
44 |
|
68.9 |
46.4 |
57.7 |
.317 |
649 |
417 |
-34 |
|
66.4 |
46.5 |
56.5 |
.280 |
406 |
164 |
173 |
|
62.1 |
48.2 |
55.2 |
.282 |
391 |
182 |
129 |
|
61.2 |
47.8 |
54.5 |
.294 |
457 |
257 |
57 |
|
61.3 |
47.3 |
54.3 |
.289 |
473 |
226 |
67 |
|
Stan Hack |
63.1 |
43.0 |
53.1 |
.297 |
556 |
317 |
-19 |
63.4 |
41.6 |
52.5 |
.286 |
503 |
187 |
58 |
|
58.1 |
46.5 |
52.3 |
.283 |
388 |
140 |
117 |
|
58.5 |
45.0 |
51.8 |
.269 |
296 |
68 |
168 |
|
61.7 |
41.6 |
51.7 |
.262 |
283 |
-83 |
262 |
|
58.6 |
42.9 |
50.8 |
.276 |
369 |
131 |
139 |
|
52.4 |
44.4 |
48.4 |
.293 |
489 |
245 |
-30 |
|
53.6 |
41.5 |
47.6 |
.295 |
454 |
219 |
2 |
|
54.8 |
38.8 |
46.8 |
.268 |
368 |
120 |
94 |
|
50.0 |
42.3 |
46.2 |
.283 |
379 |
165 |
57 |
|
47.6 |
43.0 |
45.3 |
.308 |
367 |
239 |
11 |
|
53.3 |
37.0 |
45.2 |
.266 |
300 |
-5 |
159 |
* BBWAA-elected Hall of Famer, ** VC-elected Hall of Famer
Rolen ranks as high as he does because of his defense. His Fielding Runs Above Average total is second only to Brooks Robinson among hot cornermen, and about 100 runs above the average Hall third baseman. That gives him enough of a boost that his peak score ranks fourth among third basemen, while his career score ranks sixth, with a good chance of passing both Paul Molitor and George Brett before it's all said and done. Molitor, of course, spent a good portion of his career at DH, but is lumped in with the third basemen here because he did generate a fair bit of value above replacement defensively over the course of his career.
That said, defensive measurement is still a rather inexact science, and even slight tweaks of our system can have large effects on our player valuations. The numbers above were generated in December. Dig through the deepest recesses of our site and you'll find that Robinson currently scores out at 301 FRAA2, some 40 runs higher, while Rolen's lost a dozen or so. Tracking such changes can be maddening, which is why I tend to lock in my JAWS data set annually and not worry about the in-season tweaks which Clay Davenport may make.
Rolen's clearly in good shape on the JAWS scale, but that doesn't mean he's a lock for the Hall. Even with his seven Gold Gloves — third behind Robinson and Schmidt at the position — his Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor and Hall of Fame Standards scores are both subpar — 68 for the former, where 100 is supposed to be average, and 38 for the latter, where 50 is supposed to be average. He's got just five All-Star appearances, which isn't an overwhelming amount for a Hall of Famer. He's never finished higher than fourth in an MVP vote, and never led the league in a key offensive category. While he did win a ring with the 2006 Cardinals and had a strong World Series that year, his overall postseason line (.228/.321/.421 in 131 PA) thus far suggests somewhat more harm than good done to his reputation. Furthermore, he had a five-year period from age 30 to 34 where he averaged just 111 games a year, suppressing his career totals to the point that he has "just" 1,849 hits (and 293 homers) right now. While he's likely to stick around long enough to pad those totals, it's worth remembering that no player from the expansion era (1961 onward) has been elected while having less than 2,000 hits.
When it's all said and done, Rolen is the type of candidate who will need to be productive in his late 30s to pad his stats sufficiently, because the areas from which he's derived a good portion of his value, plate discipline and defense, are typically undervalued by BBWAA voters. In fact, right now he looks a lot like another eminently Hallworthy player whose career was curtailed by back woes, Bobby Grich. As I wrote back in January, Grich was a six-time All-Star and four-time Gold Glover who played on five division-winning teams in Baltimore and Anaheim, where he was often overshadowed by bigger name players. Nonetheless, he combined good pop, excellent plate discipline and outstanding glovework, and finished with 78.5 career WARP, 50.0 peak WARP and a 64.3 JAWS at a position where the standard is 76.8/50.1/63.5. Done at 37 after accumulating just 1,833 hits, he fell off the ballot after receiving just 2.6 percent of the vote in his first year of eligibility.
I'd like to believe Rolen will fare better than that, but he's at the point where it's vital to his cause that he remain productive for a few more years. Here's hoping he can.
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Otherwise, your analysis is dead on as usual--the Bobby Grich comp is especially tasty. One wonders how history would have changed if Grich had not reversed himself and turned down the Yankees' FA offer for '77 at the last minute (he would played SS; the move would have meant no Bucky Dent, no Reggie Jackson).
Furthermore, when I compare multi-position players, and particularly guys who wound up spending a good portion of their careers at DH, I also compare them to broader classifications such as outfielders, corner infielders, or all hitters. Thus while Edgar Martinez comes in a bit low on the third base scale, he's essentially on the money via the hitter-at-large standard (69.4/45.4/57.4).
Fangraphs has three such metrics. Total Zone (created by Baseball Projection) has Rolen at +143 runs (+97 since 2002). UZR (since 2002) has him at +95 runs. Dewan's Runs Saved (since 2002) has him at +90 runs. So, calling Rolen around a +150 for his career sounds ok.
Clay has Rolen at +184 runs, which is certainly believable enough, in light of the above numbers, and in light of actually seeing him play.
What's also interesting is the difference between his standing on the JAWS scale and that of Chipper Jones, whose fielding the FRAA system simply hates but who of course has a much fuller resume when it comes to the more traditional Cooperstown credentials (MVP, strong individual postseason track record, not to mention being a key part of the Braves' dynasty, better HOFS and HOFM scores). The aforementioned defensive metrics put him between -34 (TZ) and +5 (DRS) for the 2002-2010 segment of his career. A closer look at his year-by-year numbers show that most of the FRAA damage was done prior to 2002; since then he's only at -29.
But we don't, do we? We have an uncertain degree of uncertainty, for all fielding metrics.
There really isn't much that separates the two. On the traditional merits, Bell had five All-Star appearances and six Gold Gloves. Nettles, whose peak overlapped with Brooks Robinson a bit more directly, six All-Star appearances and two Gold Gloves. Bell has the slight edge on HOFM (67-63), Nettles on HOFS (31-30). The main difference between the two is that one played 53 games in the postseason and won a couple of rings, the other never reached October.