A few weeks ago, Bob Hertzel wrote a thought-provoking column here at Baseball Prospectus that sought to identify baseball records that would never be broken. The thesis seemed to be that many records may feel out of reach, yet those same records were thought to be impossible to break when they were originally achieved. My friends and I participate in the same type of discussion on occasion when we go out to watch games, and it is one of the most interesting topics to bring up in a crowd of baseball nuts. Not only will strong opinions emerge, but there are usually oddball records that surface over which to ponder. For instance, did you know that Ty Cobb has the AL record with nine inside-the-park home runs in the 1909 season? Or that Eddie Murray has the record for most sacrifice flies in a career with 128? Or how about that Bob Shaw was called for a record five balks on May 4, 1963? With so many stats, records are bountiful, and it is always fun to reflect.
In conversations, Fernando Tatis launching two grand slams in the same inning is usually the one that makes a group reflect in awe at the inherent level of difficulty. Think about it: He not only had to hit two home runs in the same inning, but his team had to be so productive in that frame that they loaded the bases before each of his at-bats. Someone inevitably brings up Cy Young’s career wins and losses records. Cal Ripken’s consecutive games streak comes up, as does the 56-game hitting streak by Joltin’ Joe DiMaggio. One member of the group will reluctantly bring up Barry Bonds, as his single-season mark of 73 dingers is too mind-boggling to ignore, as are his annual OBPs from 2001-04. Usually, however, discussions of this ilk are dominated by players with names that just are not given anymore like Cy, Enos, Arky, Rube, and Whitey.
And for good reason, as players from the early days of baseball have fairly insane stats on their resumes. Nobody is ever, ever, ever going to approach either the 511 wins or 316 losses amassed by Young. Aside from maybe CC Sabathia, nobody is likely to ever approach even 300 wins again, let alone 400, and the large lefty is by no means a lock to reach even 250 wins. Similarly, nobody is ever going to come in the vicinity of the zany complete games streaks or records from the 1950s and earlier, or the innings pitched totals. The list goes on and on with regards to which records, set back in the Deadball Era or soon thereafter, will never be broken.
But does it matter that they will never be broken? Are they really even records? The answer is the ambiguous “yes and no.” Yes, technically speaking, Young holds the records for wins, losses, games, complete games, shortest first name (he’s tied), but his numbers are not relevant to any period other than his own. The issue isn’t that these records will never be broken, but rather that they are discussed as records in modern day conversations. I am not trying to suggest that what happened in the past is irrelevant, but rather that I have a problem with the lack of contextualization surrounding the idea of a baseball record. Realistically, starting 80 games in a league wherein the normal starter makes 68 starts is equivalent to starting 36 games in 2007 when the normal starter appeared 32 times. The difference lies in the context of the times.
When discussing records, I much prefer to steer the conversation toward era-based achievements. Either that or I like to apply filters when discussing records. For instance, I consider Todd Helton to hold the record for most doubles in the wild card era with his 59 in 2000. Does he hold the all-time record in the history of baseball from 1890-2010? No, Earl Webb’s 67 in the 1931 season tops everyone, but in the era that Helton played, which undoubtedly held more collective talent than any other era, he achieved something nobody else did. Just like Young won 511 games as the high water mark of his era, Greg Maddux’s 355 wins is incredibly impressive relative to his era. The statistics produced by baseball players are dependent upon the times they played, and since these eras can be so incredibly different from a style of play standpoint, it makes no sense to offer straight comparisons.
One issue is that people, by nature, do not like to compartmentalize information when it is not easily separable. It’s easy to group pitchers based on start and endpoints that form a decade, or quarter-century, but an era is likely to be considered more arbitrary than not. In some cases it is rather easy: the wild card era is clearly 1995-onward, as it encompasses the span of time in which the wild card playoff berth was in use. But determining all of the other eras and their respective time frames is ultimately left to easily debatable opinions. Because of the inherent subjectivity, it becomes much easier to just discuss the entirety of baseball in conversations surrounding records.
Additionally, by suggesting that a mark constitutes the best in history, its status is instantly elevated. Saying that Helton holds the all-time single-season record for doubles is just plain sexier than saying he has the record in the wild-card era. Applying a filter along those lines brings about negative connotations, as if the accomplishment is cheapened. In reality, comparing a season from Maddux to one from Kid Nichols would be like comparing a movie with a motor mouth like Chris Tucker to a silent film. Such comparisons are irrelevant because the circumstances under which the end results were produced are in no way, shape, or form similar.
I am not trying to sound like a snot-nosed brat who doesn’t respect the past, but it is growing tiresome to hear people discuss records that will never be broken by bringing up achievements from eras that have absolutely nothing in common with others. It doesn’t cheapen accomplishments at all to apply an era filter. If anything, it should magnify what occurred. Another reason something along the lines of contextualized records may be a tough sell is that the past is treated with such reverence that it is almost blasphemous to suggest that certain records from the past just are not that impressive when compared to others from their era. On top of that, we often don’t appreciate current performances until five or 10 years later, at which point the achievements have crystallized and are used to explain why a new current player’s numbers are not as great as they look.
All of which brings us to the Hall of Fame, and how several current players are likely to be judged based on outdated standards and milestones, which is the most unfair aspect of this lack of contextualization. I would bet money that nobody wins 300 games again, and maybe only a couple of pitchers reach 250, but somebody like Roy Halladay is going to be judged against these benchmarks. While Halladay is likely to get into Cooperstown, there will inevitably be writers who see his, say, 232 career wins and inaccurately compare the total to others accrued in past eras, neglecting to understand that 232 in this day and age might be equivalent to 330 in the past, especially considering he is about as old-timey of a pitcher as we have seen over the last decade.
All I am asking is that when fans or writers discuss baseball records the appropriate context is used. What happened in Deadball stays in Deadball. Let’s stop bringing up obviously unbreakable records in conversations and focus more on records produced in different eras that could be broken. It might feel like the accomplishments have been cheapened, but I would much rather have it thought of that way than to have people bring up 511 wins in future discussions of unbreakable records.
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CC Sabathia will end this year at around 158. Pitching for the Yankees, I feel comfortable giving him 18 victories a season for the next five years. That would get him to 248 by the end of his age 34 season. From there, we can drop him to 14 wins per year for, say, the next three seasons. That has him at 290 by age 37. Very few pitchers stop that close to the goal.
1) Mussina made his Major League debut in 1991, well after the closer era began.
2) Mussina pitched in college, and made his debut at age 22, but wasn't a full-time Major Leaguer until age 23.
3) Mussina famously won 20 games just once, in his final season at age 39.
4) Mussina never made more than 36 starts in a season.
5) Mussina surpassed 240 innings in a season just twice, in 1992 and 1996, and threw more than 230 innings just one other time, in 2000.
6) During his 17 full-time seasons, Mussina threw fewer than 200 innings six times, albeit once during strike-shortened 1994.
7) Mussina pitched during the era of guaranteed contracts, and made more than $144 million in his career.
1) pitchers don't throw as many innings per start and don't make as many starts, reducing the number of possible decisions
3) later start to careers by college pitchers reduces the number of seasons
3) guaranteed contracts reduce the incentive for pitchers to stick around for a long time
While Mussina didn't meet number 3, he absolutely fit numbers 1 and 2. I think there are enough guys who pitch just a bit too long (Smoltz, Glavine, Moyer, Brett Favre, et al) that Mussina is the exception which proves number 3.
All I am saying is that it takes just one pitcher with the talent, health profile, good fortune to pitch on winning teams, and the competitive juices to stick around into his early 40s. If you're willing to say we'll NEVER see that pitcher again, fine, but from this comment it doesn't seem like you are.
The point of looking at and discussing those 'unbreakable' records is (or at least should be) to marvel at the special level of achievement that these players reached. Halladay will not be judged by Young's accomplishments because those are off the charts. Halladay MAY be held up to the scrutiny of 300 wins, and rightly so at least in part. In my mind, the Hall is supposed to recognize those players who were at the top of their game over a significant period of time. Young was dominant for a period of 15 or so consecutive seasons. Bob Gibson was equally good for a shorter period but still more than a decade. Halladay has been the pitcher he is right now for seven seasons or so and that is in a nine year period. He averaged only 20 starts in 2004 and 2005 combined. Yes, he's as good as there is right now, but the question is whether he can maintain that for another five or six seasons. If he does, he'll make the Hall regardless of win totals.
Contextualizing accomplishments means looking at the whole context, not just the context that creates a picture you want to present. It also involves being honest about the context. Deciding that context is an important part of looking at records allows, in my mind way too much room for selective context. A good example would be Eric's contention that Todd Helton may hold the record for doubles if you apply context. That would be true only if your context is selective. The fact that Helton played half his games in 2000 in the pre-humidor Coors Field where the gaps are bigger than any park in baseball against opposing outfielders not always built to play those gaps is another piece of context that must be included once we decide context is important. Including that bit of context tends to diminish Helton's feat.
The 'unbreakable' records should be a celebration of the unique and incredible talents of those players who hold them. While we can still look at the unique talents of other players and appreciate them, there is really no need to try to raise up one era/player/accomplishment by looking for ways to diminish another.
In regard to the article, is this a club (if there are any other members) that would warrant a context?
We need a little more than your word that it won't! Obviously it's significantly more difficult than it used to be, and with 5-man rotations 400 or even 350 is pretty far-fetched, but every generation is still going to have a freak or two who can pitch effectively for 18-20 years and they'll have a shot.
As for 6-man rotations, I don't see it. I think the lesson people are drawing from the Strasburg experience isn't that pitchers should pitch less; it's that there's only so much you can do. You can't be any more careful than the Nats were with Strasburg. It's also becoming clear that once pitchers pass the danger zone of their early 20s, they can be quite durable. If anything, we might see veteran starters getting more starts as time goes by.
"A large gap between 300 game winners is far from unusual in baseball history. In fact, there has been a gap of at least 14 seasons between the first wins of future 300 game winners four different times: 1911 to 1925, 1925 to 1941, 1946 to 1962, and 1968 to 1984. People wrote after Ryan won his 300th game in 1990 that we may never see the feat again (ht: Wezen-ball). Why? Because of the 5-man rotation, reliever specialization, guaranteed contracts, later debut ages, etc. Gee, that sounds awfully familiar. Yes, that's right: Clemens, Maddux, Glavine and Johnson all won 300 games in the era of the 5-man rotation, the closer and guaranteed contracts. Do I know who will be the next 300-game winner? Definitely not. But before we write off the current crop of pitchers as too soft and pampered and yearn for the glory days of yesteryear, it is important to keep in mind that what we're seeing now is far from unusual. In fact, it fits perfectly with patterns we've seen repeatedly as baseball has transformed over the year."
http://baltimorebirdsnest.blogspot.com/search/label/300%20Game%20Winners
Eric, it's just historically silly to talk about 'unbreakable' career records. By which I mean the most casual historical perusal of the topic will uncover so many once-unbreakable broken records.
I'm not expecting to sell z-scores to the casual fan any time soon, but to the more mathematically-inclined fan they would seem to circumvent the eyebrow-raising effect of naming an arbitrary era. If someone tells me "Helton's z-score for doubles in 2000 was 3.67" I feel less suspicious that they're trying to manufacture an argument than if they say "Helton has the most doubles in the wild card era." I also have the HUGE advantage of a number I can take and compare to others. A portable, era-specific number.
For the past five year I've maintained a web site that lists z-scores for offensive stats for every player-season since the 1870s. On it you can see that Helton's 59 doubles were actually slightly less dominant than Webb's 67 in 1931:
http://alexreisner.com/baseball/stats/leaders?s=2B
So, what is an "unbreakable" record? Young's win total, most probably. Hornsby's .424 batting average, again, most probably. Bond's 73 homers? Probably.
But, who's to say that the future breaker of any of these records isn't playing Little League baseball right now? Or, that his father isn't?
While I don't really believe that many of these records will be broken, or re-broken, in the near future, who's to say that some little kid, right now, won't someday blast 85 homers? Or, steal 150 bases? Or, strike out 400 batters?
Probable? Most definitely not! But, possible? Yes!
Seriously though, the subject is a decent read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Radbourn#1884_Season
19.8 WAR on the season. I can't wrap my head around it.
One thing that is unpredictable is the direction of trends.
The trend now is for young pitchers to be coddled until they are 25 or so to develop the health skill and possibly prolong the career. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
I will just mention improvements in training and medical advances in injury treatment and rehabilitation. What if HGH is legalized as a form of injury treatment or prevention or (Horrors!) it is discovered that HGH slows down the aging process?
Consider possible trends toward movement over speed. I don't mean that speed will take a backseat, but that maybe pitcher development trends figure out how to coach pitchers to be more like Greg Maddux than Randy Johnson?
With video scouting and the ability to break down mechanics to the millisecond, who knows what the next generation may be able to do?
Also, staunch traditionalists can't live forever and there may be actual changes to the game. We already see King Felix possibly a front-runner for the Cy Young award and what is his record? Maybe this has an unintended consequence in the area of either how pitchers are used or maybe how the Win is awarded?
Never is a long time and you never know what the future holds.
Overall, however, the article is right. We have to think about eras when thinking about achievements.
It's just distracting that Eric would fall victim to missing his own point in assuming that the trends we see now will continue in the future.