It’s 80 degrees and sunny, and I’m staring at my glove, planning to play a little catch later today. Do you really think I can focus?
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The Futures Game, already stuck in a ridiculous time slot, was victimized by a four-hour rain delay that completely mucked up the proceedings. Kevin Goldstein makes the key point: the game shouldn’t have been picked up after the rain, due to field conditions that elevated the risk of injury to the most valuable properties in the game to unacceptable levels. MLB’s insistence that their prospects take the field late yesterday afternoon was a mistake, and it is a tribute to their never-ending good fortune that this criticism isn’t accompanied by the picture of a talented young player grimacing in pain.
The only saving grace of the rain delay is that it shoved the Game almost into a decent time slot. Playing the thing on a Sunday afternoon with 11 MLB games up against it (and eventually 15 being played during its scheduled window) is an unconscionable waste of an opportunity to showcase future stars. The vast majority of baseball fans, given a choice between a minor league all-star game and their team’s contest, will choose the latter. Those who aren’t choosing are out in a park, on a beach, on the water, or doing all the things people do on a Sunday in July. The Futures Game ends up being a showcase for scouts, GMs, and a subset of people in the host city, and that’s all.
It deserves better. There are no games today. There are no games Wednesday. Would it really be that hard to stick the Futures Game on one of those days? Maybe having it Wednesday would be annoying for people who want to fly that day, but honestly, I know a ton of people who go to the All-Star city just for that game, so they’d just have to come in for it anyway. It would be less convenient for the fans in the local city, but so what? You’re trading off 30,000 people for a potential audience 20 or more times that, watching the only baseball game in town in prime time on a weeknight. That’s 600,000 people being introduced to Jason Heyward and Chris Tillman and Eric Young Jr. That’s how you sell baseball’s future.
I want more people to see the Futures Game, and until it’s moved from its utterly ridiculous Sunday afternoon slot, that won’t happen. Something as simple as playing the celebrity softball game first and the Futures Game after it, say at 5 p.m. or 6 p.m. local time, would allow for a larger audience.
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Then again, that’s not my real argument. My real argument is this: play the Futures Game on Monday night, and just shoot the Home Run Derby dead. The latter takes far too long, isn’t terribly interesting, and occasional cool moments aside, is kind of a numbing experience, a one-hour BP session stretched to three hours.
The counter for this argument is “Josh Hamilton.” Here’s my re-counter, the AL’s team in the Derby:
- the “33rd man” All-Star and his career .402 SLG
- an injury replacement with 44 career homers
- an injury replacement for a second baseman
- A guy with one homer for every 40 AB in his career
Really? I mean, not for nothing, but were the injury replacements made to do this as a quid pro quo? Was the balloting for Brandon Inge-the weakest candidate on the AL list-tweaked at all to reflect his willingness to participate? Was Carlos Pena slotted to replace Dustin Pedroia not just because his manager was also the AL’s manager, but because he agreed to fill out the field? Joe Mauer is the only primary-path All-Star in this group. Hamilton, who owes much of his fame to this event, won’t return to it. Justin Morneau won’t defend his title. Evan Longoria and Mark Teixeira, the real power in the AL lineup, both passed.
The field is a bit better in the NL, although it includes a guy in Ryan Howard who’s an All-Star like I’m a vegetarian. A first baseman with a .257/.341/.529 line and, at best, so-so defense? He was a homer pick, selected by his manager to play in his hometown, probably with an eye towards the Derby. It’s not even the worst crime this year, just another data point in the case for Howard being the most overrated guy in the game.
My point is the the Futures Game is a better event for baseball. It’s better marketing, better entertainment, and if not better TV, certainly not worse, and better for the attendees. The players, warranted or not, are voting on the All-Star Game with their feet; that AL team is an embarrassment. Pull the plug on this event and give the spotlight to the prospects.
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The Nationals fired Manny Acta last night, a move that was as inevitable as it was unwarranted. Acta is a smart baseball man with very good people skills who was handed an impossible job, inheriting a roster built by an organization still recovering from the threat of contraction and the years of neglect which followed. Acta was never given sufficient talent with which to win, and in fact, has his job made more difficult by the organization’s curious approach to talent acquisition.
Firing Acta and turning the team over to Jim Riggleman is the kind of pointless move bad franchises make. It would not surprise me at all to see the Nationals play well enough from here on out, simply by regression, for the organization to make the terrible move of falling in love with the interim and keeping him on rather than going through a legitimate search. That move never, ever works out, and is a hallmark of winning organizations such as the Royals, Blue Jays, and Reds.
Manny Acta will eventually be hired to manage again, maybe as soon as this offseason. (He’d be a two-win upgrade for the Mets right now.) When he does, he will succeed, just as Terry Francona just needed the right situation to succeed. Manny Acta will reach the postseason before the team that just fired him did.
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Yovani Gallardo didn’t pitch well yesterday, which doesn’t change the fact that he should be pitching on Tuesday. If he and Adam Wainwright, both overqualified for the All-Star team, were not selected because they were starting yesterday, then the process is broken. You pick the best players and deal with it later.
I mention Gallardo because he was up against Clayton Kershaw, five days after facing Wainwright, 10 days after facing Johan Santana. Despite the perception that number-one starters face number-one starters, and so on, the fact is that pitcher draws tend to balance out over the course of a season, with no pitcher seeing a more difficult or less difficult slate of opposition hurlers. Gallardo, however, seems to have had one brutal draw this year. In addition to the three guys listed above… actually, let’s just run a list, including Gallardo’s opposition ranks on their team and in their league in pitcher VORP:
Pitcher League Team Randy Johnson 102 8 Edinson Volquez 105 8 Johan Santana 22 1 Felipe Paulino 311 16 Ian Snell 240 15 Paul Maholm 76 6 Ryan Dempster 40 4 Wandy Rodriguez 14 1 Chris Carpenter 11 2 Micah Owings 136 10 Jair Jurrjens 10 2 Aaron Cook 29 3 Jeremy Sowers 188 14 Justin Verlander 10 2 Matt Cain 3 2 Johan Santana 22 1 Adam Wainwright 6 1 Clayton Kershaw 12 1
The numbers probably don’t do the list justice. Volquez was one of the best pitchers in the league last year, and Johnson has his moments. Santana’s VORP ranking is low, but he’s nothing less than one of the three best pitchers in baseball, and has twice beat Gallardo 1-0. Since late May, Gallardo has made 11 starts, and in nine of those he’s been up against pitchers ranking no lower than 29th in their league in VORP. He’s faced one of two best pitchers on the staff in five straight starts, and in eight of 11. That’s an insane run of opponents, and is a partial explanation for why Gallardo has an 8-7 record despite being the eighth-best starter in the league.
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Tell yah what, I'll take the under on Joe's proposition. Rigglemans had plenty of opportunities to show how much he stinks. My bet is the Nats continue to suck. Hard.
1. Your (former)GM is under FBI investigation for bonus skimming.
2. You have not hired a permanent replacement GM.
3. Your new park is mediocre at best and hasn't drawn any fans.
4. You are storming the manager's office with torches and pichforks despite the above factors.
I bet the Nats brain trust can even ruin Strasburg.... if they can spell their team name right on their uniforms.
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I actually attended the Futures game in 2004, and the only player I remembered from it - until I happened across the program a couple months ago - was the fizzled prospect from my hometown team. I didn't even remember that Prince Fielder had been in it, and I certainly knew who he was at the time, both from his father and from Moneyball.
My feeling is that the Futures game is essentially meaningless to 99% of fans or more. Sure, we'll know who these people are in a few years, but we don't right now. Players we've heard of - even if they're in the 70-80th percentile instead of the 98th - are a lot more fun to watch. And it may be glorified batting practice, but who doesn't like watching stars take BP? And are you really telling me the Futures game is any more meaningful?
It would make sense that most people a baseball analyst would know would prefer the Futures game in prime time. I live in a pretty liberal town, and everyone I know voted for Dukakis. That's not a representative sample, and if the folks at MLB assumed it was, they'd be making a grave mistake.
If only there was some way to change that... perhaps some sort of nationally televised exhibition game to promote and hype the stars of tomorrow...
You just couldn't resist getting in more shots at Howard though, could you? I mean, if there's one thing he CAN do, it's hit home runs. So isn't he PERFECT for a home run derby?
Who's more overrated than a guy with that resume. It's not "Ryan Howard sucks"--it's that he's overrated.
Howard has just started to heat up, and has consistently been a better second-half performer (though I'm sure Joe will discount this). I'd be willing to bet he ends up with a line around .265/.365/.570. And yet he will continually be denounced on here. Odd.
He also had the Phillies picked below the A's before the season, and just picked the Mets to win the NL East this year in his chat. Seriously. So, fair to say, he doesn't really have the highest regard for the Phillis in general.
Checking the +/- numbers, Pena has been better in every season until now, when he trails Howard by five runs in half a season.
With apologies to Clay, there's no universe in which Ryan Howard, improved though he is, is better defensively than Carlos Pena.
Pena's the better hitter--I have no idea how the poster just handwaves OBP--and it's worth nothing that he plays in the AL East, and frankly, every player in the AL East deserves some kind of bump. Every one.
But yeah, Pena is clearly the better player. What was I thinking?
Come on, Joe. You can't just dismiss your own site's defense stats because it doesn't support your argument.
Fact is, I agree that Howard shouldn't have been added to the roster. He's had some good moments this season, especially lately, but with Pujols already on the roster, Howard's only purpose is to take part in the HR derby.
But you can't say that Howard is overrated with a straight face on a site dedicated to using statistics to back up arguments about quality.
The Mets will be lucky to finish with 80 wins this season.
His line this year will probably be sustained.
I hear all the time about how good Reyes, Wright and Beltran are. I agree about Wright and Beltran. But I think Reyes is hugely overrated.
Sadly more people arrived for the softball than the futures game and Paul O'Neill hitting one over a fence roughly 200 feet away was pretty much the only thing to awaken the crowd all day.
Look I'm not saying the Home Run Derby is the greatest creation of baseball, but I'd definitely argue that it's a better experience for the fans in the ballpark than the Future's Game. The Home Run Derby atmosphere that I saw, thanks, of course, to Hamilton was much more excited than at any point during the ASG, let alone the Future's Game. While the Derby could certainly use some tweaks (is the final ever not anti-climactic?), I think the Derby is a fun event that is, arguably, more popular than the game itself and is extremely appealing to casual fans - and the casual fans are necessary for the health of the game.
Not sure how I feel about it yet but something to think about: traditionalists would have an aneurysm but US vs World could work for the All Star game itself too. Though I guess we'd end up with some of those melodramatic is A-Rod a Dominican or American sort of tabloid fodder, and it would be a mess for fan balloting. Then the World Series home field could be based on whichever league is better in interleague or as a reward to the team with the best overall record. I have to acknowledge my irrational love of the WBC probably makes me open to this sort of notion...
As far as the Howard argument, Joe just likes to keep turning the knife. I'm not sure why, because it hurts his credibility in other aspects of his work, where he does do solid analysis.
With his next HR, Howard will get to 200 HR for his career, and it'll be done in about 550 fewer plate appearance that Albert Pujols, and as far as I can tell, fewer than anyone in the history of the sport of baseball. (This could be wrong, I could not find a definitive list.) When one person towers over history in an aspect of a sport, it's hard to imagine that he is the "most overrated", even acknowledging that he has flaws in other parts of his game, which he constantly works to improve.
Your "towers over history" statement is a great example of why he's overrated--he's a very good player, but certainly not an historically good one.
How can Ryan be overrated if his own team isn't giving him a long term deal (they realize his weaknesses) and just arbitration him every year? Overrated would be giving him a Pujols or AROD contract. That would be stupid.
How can Ryan be overated if he led his league in HR last year? And in RBI? It is a lie to say he led the league in those categories? Did he hit 25 HR and 75 RBI last year but we all sat around and said "Ryan is the BESTEST in the WORLD!!" ? Nobody says that. Guys who lead the league in HR and RBI go to the all star game---it just is. True, he doesn't lead in VORP. True, he's not the 2nd best or 3rd best all around first baseman.
But he hits bombs, and lots of them, and plays for the world champions. He probably has 1 more really good HR/RBI left him before he does the swan dive off the Mo Vaugn/Cecil Fielder/Ortiz plank.
Casual fans outnumber hard-core fans.
If you put the Futures Game and the HR Derby on at the same time on Monday night at two different stadiums and broadcast one on ABC and one on CBS, the HR Derby would absolutely destroy the Futures Game in ratings.
I do agree the Futures game should be moved to Sunday Night, but the HR Derby is a huge event for baseball that draws ratings, interest, fans and $. Ending it would be absolutely silly. Don't like it? Don't watch.
I do think, however, they shouldn't restrict the field to All-Stars and should focus more on who can actually put on a show. If you're not going to pull in the "big names", then I see no reason not to pick the guys who can absolutely mash the ball over people who may actually be better ball players. The Slam Dunk contest featured Nate Robinson, who is not exactly one of the leagues best players, or even an all-star.
That, I think, is the key. Once the big names decline, then just get the absolute mashers, even if they're not all-stars. This event was designed for Adam Dunn, Russell Branyan and Jim Thome. Let them go out there and put on a show.
I also wish they would do a 60 yard dash tournament between the fastest guys. Although you'd need Joey Gathright to really make it a true test.
I'd love to see that dash competition with Gathwright, BJ Upton, Brett Gardner, Juan Pierre, Michael Bourn, Ichiro, Reyes, etc. Guess this is the former track runner in me coming out...
As for Riggleman, the new regime in Seattle showed zero interest in bringing him back after last year and the Nats are the only team that was worse than the Mariners last year. They probably shouldn't get all excited about Riggleman.
I love your work, Joe, but you need to learn when to give it a rest. There are lots of ways to enjoy this incredible sport, and yours is only one of them.
And it's the exact kind of thing MLB should be doing - attracting casual fans in a way that does NOT ailenate the hardcore fans. The problem is when a sport (the NHL does this all the time) does something in an attempt to attract casual fans that negatively affects the hardcore fans (Joe would argue the Wild Card did exactly that). But the HR Derby has no affect on hardcore fans, so it's the perfect thing.
Disagree? Fine. Nominate someone else. Derek Jeter anyone?
I like antoine6's thoughts on Reyes. How about Vladimir Guerrero? The man seems to be completely done (and is hurt again) but no one in the mainstream media has picked up on it the way they have for Ortiz.
He's great for being a Captain on a four-time winner ten years ago, but his current contributions are that of a decent, not-great, shortstop.
I personally think that's become an issue not just here, but in the writings of many people on the sport. Stop focusing on how a player is perceived by the masses, focus on his actual production and value. Don't tell me about Howard's overratedness or underratedness, tell me how his numbers, ie, what hes done, stack up against his peers. When you start talking about things that can't be quantified, you may as well abandon all facts and just make it up as you go.
I do know that Ryan Howard has a .299 EqA and a 5.2 WARP3. I also know that Carlos Pena has a .309 EqA and a 5.0 WARP3. So I know, looking at that, that Ryan Howard has been slightly more valuable this season. Since you, Joe, argue that the All Star Game should essentially be an old boys club restricted to guys with great careers, should Carlos Pena be there over Ryan Howard? Prior to 2007, Carlos Pena was close to a negative value player, with EqA's in the .275-.282 range. And if we're going to point out Howard's steep decline, we should also point out that Pena went from a .351 EqA/7.5 WARP3 in 2007 to a .313 EqA/6.8 WARP3 in 2008 to a .309 EqA/5.0 WARP3 so far in 2009. Is he on a steep decline at this point too?
Forget overrated/underrated and the stuff like it. Focus on facts.
Again, I'm not saying it's right but when we're talking about All Star selections (and MVP and Cy Young and ROY Awards etc), that is awards based on perception and voting, then comparing what the numbers tell us as opposed to the general perception of a player is a worthwhile exercise.
Did you really just claim that managers manage the all-star game to win it? Because I fail to see how that claim can be justified. As Joe said on the radio last week, the all-star game is more like gym class than a real baseball game.
The main point I wanted to make about the HR Derby. Is that the HR Derby is for the kids Joe. Do you know how bad my kid is waiting for the HR Derby tonight? He is six years old, and thats all he has wanted to see for the past week or so. Since he watched Josh Hamilton in a rerun the other day. The HR Derby, needs to be there, every year for that reason alone, the kids.
Howard also has put up just as good numbers on the road as at home throughout his career:
Home: .968 OPS, 100 HRs
Away: .946 OPS, 99 HRs
But don't let facts get in the way of your argument.
Does all of the above make Howard a great player? Probably not, he had a great season and has been a great HR hitter. Overall, maybe very good is a better assessment of him. I also believe that it is unfair to carry a grudge against Howard just because a) his skill (hitting HRs) is sometimes overvalued, b) baseball writers who vote for MVP continue to vote him above better players such as his teammate Chase Utley, and c) that his manager made a bit of a homer decision to take him to the all-star game this year.
Today I learned that other people like 1) Ryan Howard and 2) the Home Run Derby a lot more than I do.
One of those works.
Don't get me wrong, I find the Derby entertaining, but for the same reason everyone found Sosa-McGwire entertaining....the Derby is a cartoon and there is no way those balls are not super juiced.
There probably isn't a hitter in the AL who hits the ball further then Branyan - and this year he's doing it with more regularity then normal - which is saying a lot.
Branyan should have made both the All-Star team and Derby over Inge.